tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9312888.post950627703625938647..comments2023-06-12T04:37:58.897-04:00Comments on Toothface: Existential CrisisLukehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03734930079710820207noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9312888.post-16824201534239948962009-05-07T19:25:00.000-04:002009-05-07T19:25:00.000-04:00hey doug... i'll try to cover your questions...
"...hey doug... i'll try to cover your questions...<br /><br />"If there is not something such as original sin, then what was Christ's death all about?"<br /><br />this doctrine and model presents a nice closed view of atonement. Adam falls, Christ reinstates. but it doesn't fit with science. what Jesus does show is exactly as you put it.. the limit God will go for us as well as how screwed up our view is. it shows how grace atones without deference to human notions of fairness.<br /><br />"Then, if that is true, what to make of the first part of Genesis?"<br /><br />our actions have unintended consquences. or think of it like the Matrix's construct program. Adam and Eve didn't have parents, how were they to know how to function in the world? answer: Temporary Garden of Eden. Eve or Adam were to eat the fruit of the tree of wisdom when they had obtained the nessicary training. just so happens that Eve was first because women are smarter than men (another truth this story shows ;-))<br /><br />this is what i make of that story... <br /><br />"To live with love and grace because those are the things that foster relationships."<br /><br />hell yeah!!!! i'm with you here dawg!Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03734930079710820207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9312888.post-66317468181389437902009-05-05T14:20:00.000-04:002009-05-05T14:20:00.000-04:00Religion and the world. Trying to fit a square whe...Religion and the world. Trying to fit a square where a circle should be. Or maybe its a Triangle. Ah sheit, you know what I mean. ;)Tit for Tathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09454132514796693591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9312888.post-78262833622442883142009-05-05T11:00:00.000-04:002009-05-05T11:00:00.000-04:00This is very interesting, and I will just basicall...This is very interesting, and I will just basically be thinking out loud here in my comments...<br /><br />If there is not something such as original sin, then what was Christ's death all about? I have come to think that it was more of an act of love, an act to show us how far God would go for us. But, if there is no original sin, is his death not about atonement at all? Is it all about love?<br /><br />Then, if that is true, what to make of the first part of Genesis? Is it all a myth to provide an explanation much as Greek and Roman mythology would be?<br /><br />I agree with you that we often try to read scripture in a way that fits God into our human experience which necessitates belief in some seemingly strange things such as all of humanity's state goodness or badness being based on a decision over an apple brought about by a talking snake. When you believe something like that, as I reluctantly have all my life until I gained the courage to examine it honestly beginning about 3 years ago, and you try to plug science into it, something has to give, and it shouldn't have to be that way. When our "right" interpretations of scripture don't match up with what we discover to be true by good science, we ought to be as willing to challenge our interpretation of scripture as we are to challenge the results of our science. The error probably lies in both.<br /><br />I'm not sure what I think about this, but I also don't think that I have to be. If it was so important to God that I think certain things about God in a right fashion, then God would have made that very clear. The only thing that is clear from scripture and creation is that God wants to relate to his creation. God wants to be in relationship with us. Creation, as you have pointed out, is all about quantum level interconnectedness. How obvious can it be that God is a God of relationship? <br /><br />We get so caught up in sin and sinless and who's saved and who's not and which hoops have to be jumped through to be in or out, and it all seems like a bunch of goofiness to me much of the time. It actually seems more like a system set up by power hungry religious elite to control the masses more than anything else. All God wants, it seems to me, is for us to listen to God in our lives. To look for God in the world. To live with love and grace because those are the things that foster relationships. The rest seems a bit overboard to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com